Issue 514: Revision of the examples for E54 Dimension

ID: 
514
Starting Date: 
2020-06-26
Working Group: 
4
Status: 
Open
Background: 

In the 47th joint meeting of the CIDOC CRM SIG and ISO/TC46/SC4/WG9; 40th FRBR - CIDOC CRM Harmonization meeting; following the changes in the scope note of E54(issue 450 that units and values are included in the examples, the sig decided to open a new issue to rework on the example of Christie’s hammer price for Van Gogh’s Sunflowers in a vase since it the only one that refers  to the temporal extent of the measurement. This is assigned to SS.

June 2020

Current Proposal: 

Posted by Steve on 11/10/2020

Reworking of “Vase with 15 sunflowers” example

ORIGINAL

Christie’s hammer price for “Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers” in British Pounds (E97)

REVISED

Christie’s hammer price for “Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers” (E97) [£24.75m]

While looking at this I noticed that the Battle of Issus (Issus) example is wrong

ORIGINAL

The duration of the time span of the Battle of Issos [333 B.C.E.]

REVISED

The duration of the time span of the Battle of Issos on 15th November 333 B.C.E.  [1 day]

NB This is very approximate: I could find no tighter estimates.

Posted by Martin on 11/10/2020

On 10/11/2020 3:09 PM, Stephen Stead wrote:
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> Reworking of “Vase with 15 sunflowers” example
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> ORIGINAL
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> Christie’s hammer price for “Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers” in British Pounds (E97)
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> REVISED
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> Christie’s hammer price for “Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers” (E97) [£24.75m]
OR:

Christie’s hammer price for Vincent van Gogh's "Still Life: Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers" in London, March 30, 1987 (E97) [£24.75m]

OR:

Christie’s Sale 7243: Impressionist and Modern Art Evening Sale, London, 20 June 2006
Vincent van Gogh (1853-1890) Still Life: Vase with gladioli and lilac, Price realised GBP 2,248,000

(https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/vincent-van-gogh-1853-1890-still...)

"Christie’s hammer price for Vincent van Gogh's “Vase with gladioli and lilac” at Impressionist and Modern Art Evening Sale, London, 20 June 2006 (E97) [£2.248m]
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>  
> While looking at this I noticed that the Battle of Issus (Issus) example is wrong
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> ORIGINAL
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> The duration of the time span of the Battle of Issos [333 B.C.E.]
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> REVISED
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> The duration of the time span of the Battle of Issos on 15th November 333 B.C.E.  [1 day]
"The Hellenic cavalry pursued the fleeing Persians for as long as there was light.", something like 6pm in November. We have in Crete currently residual light from 6am until 7:30pm summer time.

The armies were settling up in the morning, so I'd rather say "less than 12 hours"

Dimensions do have estimation limits...

Posted by Steve on 17/10/2020

I have updated in the light of Martin’s comments

Christie’s hammer price for Vincent van Gogh's "Still Life: Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers" in London on 1987/03/30 (E97) [GBP 24.75m]

The duration of the time span of the Battle of Issos/Issus on 15th November 333 B.C.E.  [less than 12 hours]

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